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cactus Mail Starting 7/30/97

From: jayb@MATH.ColoState.EDU (Jay Bourland);
Sent at 7/31/97; 5:00:45 PM;
Jobs Imperator, etc.

I think think the problem is that Jobs wants to be CVO - Chief Vision Officer, but no one's offered him that post, yet - Or have they?

From: stan@conxion.com (Stan Osborne);
Sent at 7/30/97; 11:46:25 AM;
MAE-WEST down at 09:20

7/30, 09:20, MAE-West down. Ticket 101925 opened at 09:40 for troubleshooting.

We are working with MAE-West/WorldComm to correct the problem.

Some ISPs are not switching their customer's routes to PB-NAP or MAE-East. Thus some people are not able to get to web sites hosted at ConXioN.

From: xtian@Eng.Sun.COM (xtian);
Sent at 7/30/97; 11:49:51 AM;
Re:Another Offer to Apple

>One attendee pointed out that the Mac is a great text machine.

So true!

All the email here at Sun is sent by, and read on, Solaris machines. I set up a little mailserver program on my Solaris box that allows me to get my mail via the POP protocol on my Mac.

UNIX users are continually astounded at how easy Emailer is to use! They are astounded by how easy it is to JUST FIND A MESSAGE! They have to use all kinds of obtuse UNIX commands on a command line OUTSIDE OF THEIR MAIL PROGRAM to be able to find a single message, and then they have to open it in some goofy text editor like vi.

The way the Mac manipulates text needs to be aggressively marketed...after all, what do most computer users do all day but manipulate text?

From: pholmes@ucsd.edu (Preston Holmes);
Sent at 7/30/97; 10:47:13 AM;
Will DNS cut it?

Here is a thought for you.

I can't get to scripting.com right now, probably due to DNS problems on the net.

In the last 6 months there have been increasing 'net weather problems, that have resulted in not being able to get information from the network.

Unless the foundation network technology evolves to be more robust - I can't imagine that the web will ever become a truly serious consumer media.

Can you imagine flipping on your cable TV, turning to CNN and getting a message - sorry we were unable to reach the CNN satellite, please try again later. HA!

From: mnorman@princeton.com (Michael Norman);
Sent at 7/30/97; 12:09:09 PM;
Re:Another Offer to Apple

Just a thought that occurred to me - not that it's very original. I've just started looking at it in a new way.

Lately, I hear lots of people remarking on how silly it is to love a computer. ("A computer is a tool, etc.")

The Mac is not the computer.

The Mac is the community, and more.

Software that is written for the love of the community without a lot of regard for profit. BBEdit and Starry Night are two that come to mind. Any thing written by Peter Lewis. And John Norstad's labors of love are free, including source.

Developers who help each other through volunteer organizations and net-based collaborative education. Like MIDAS.

Companies that exist solely to enhance the community. Been to Ambrosia's site lately? Companies that through sheer brilliance and rise from nothing to prominence. Like Metrowerks.

And users who form groups to discuss and share. Threatened, they self-organize to give their community a voice, the law of unintended consequences be damned. (Which is unfortunate...)

Sure I'm using Windows now. Windows has a lot of things right. Context menus. Click-and-stay menus. Alt-tab switching. But there's no community there. "There's no there there."

What your latest missive says to me is that you are a member of this community. Dave, it's okay to love the Mac.

The question in my mind is what happens to the community. It will wither if it goes to Windows. But what else is there? I don't know why you're so soured on Rhapsody, but it's the natural place to for the community to go. It's our California. Unfortunately, we have to rely on Apple to get us there.

From: whearst@kpcb.com (W Hearst);
Sent at 7/30/97; 9:02:49 AM;
Re:Another Offer to Apple

good piece, dave, one of your best. most people like to be "in step" with the crowd. in the words of homer simpson "don't say what you think until you're sure everybody already agrees with you."

From: jolucas@earthlink.net (Joshua Lucas);
Sent at 7/30/97; 8:33:49 AM;
Re: Another Offer to Apple

I couldn't agree more with you on your next offer to help Apple. Here at EarthLink, all of our web development, either in HTML, graphics, or programming is done on Macs. Everyone uses BBEdit as their text editor and I'm trying to bring more people up to speed with Frontier. All of our servers run on UNIX but with BBEdit's "open from FTP" option allows us to write our code for the servers and then use a telnet window to compile. It makes anyone telling us to use NT sick because everytime they tell me that NT is the future I just ask how I can do what I do now with the current NT products. Until they can offer me a viable alternative, I will not stop using my Mac. I am so much more productive with it than I could ever be using NT.

I think Apple needs to start a PR campaign telling the greatness of some of their current products. In a previous DaveNet, you asked journalists to go ask their webmasters what products they use. I totally agree that most will be using BBEdit and more and more are working with Frontier.

It was good to see the evangelist come out for a little bit. I hope he stays.

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