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		<outline text="Our friend, The First Amendment">
			<outline text="DaveNet: &lt;a href=&quot;http://davenet.userland.com/2000/07/30/softwareAndTheFirstAmendment&quot;>Software and the First Amendment&lt;/a>."/>
			<outline text="&quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.&quot; &lt;i>Excellent!&lt;/i>"/>
			<outline text="&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/first.html&quot;>American Library Association&lt;/a>'s First Amendment page."/>
			<outline text="&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/first_amendment.html&quot;>Cornell&lt;/a>: &quot;The most basic component of freedom of expression is the right of freedom of speech. The right of freedom of speech allows an individual to express themselves without interference or constraint by the government. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for the interference with the right of free speech if it attempts to regulate the content of the speech. A less stringent test is applied for content-neutral legislation. The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence. The right of free speech includes other mediums of expression that communicates a message.&quot;"/>
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		<outline text="Mac app-only download">
			<outline text="It will be a few weeks before UserLand has an official release for the Mac that plays MP3s as the Windows version does. "/>
			<outline text="However, there are many applications of the app that do not depend on playing MP3s, and there are many inventive developers in our Mac user community. "/>
			<outline text="That's why we pushed this &lt;a href=&quot;http://radio.userland.com/macdownload.html&quot;>app-only release&lt;/a> so soon after the release of the Windows software."/>
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		<outline text="No-installer downoad">
			<outline text="Some people have reported trouble with the InstallShield installer, for those people we've created a &lt;a href=&quot;http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/download#noinstallerDownload&quot;>no-installer download&lt;/a>, it's just a zip file, it won't add items to your Start menu, but it's more foolproof."/>
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		<outline text="Feedback and support">
			<outline text="Progress on &lt;a href=&quot;http://radio.userland.com/&quot;>Radio UserLand&lt;/a>. Some people have successfully installed it and are making feature requests. "/>
			<outline text="&lt;a href=&quot;http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$120&quot;>Paul Nakada&lt;/a> gets the vision, I &lt;a href=&quot;http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$123&quot;>expanded&lt;/a> on it. There have been numerous &lt;a href=&quot;http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$124&quot;>problems&lt;/a> with the installation process. "/>
			<outline text="This is the first time we've done a Windows installer so this is not surprising. If you got a bad install, please please check back in a few days. We'll get it to install properly. "/>
			<outline text="OK, so much feedback coming, it's very overwhelming! But keep it coming, I love drinking from a firehose. "/>
			<outline text="Brent posted a &lt;a href=&quot;http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/stories/storyReader$136&quot;>Bugs and Issues page&lt;/a> on the Radio UserLand site. We're going to do this openly."/>
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		<outline text="The Radio UserLand backend">
			<outline text="outlineDocument is the central file format for Radio UserLand, and it's XML-based of course. I updated the &lt;a href=&quot;http://backend.userland.com/stories/storyReader$53&quot;>spec&lt;/a> this morning. We have more examples now so I &lt;a href=&quot;http://static.userland.com/gems/radiodiscuss/playlist.xml&quot;>linked&lt;/a> &lt;a href=&quot;http://static.userland.com/gems/radiodiscuss/specification.xml&quot;>them&lt;/a> &lt;a href=&quot;http://static.userland.com/gems/radiodiscuss/presentation.xml&quot;>in&lt;/a>. "/>
			<outline text="The backend is crucial to this product. For the last few days we've been focusing on the user interface. Now it's necessary to swing back. I revised the &lt;a href=&quot;http://radiodiscuss.userland.com/backend&quot;>Backend page&lt;/a> on the Radio UserLand site. As we developed the beta 1 release, things changed and the document became inaccurate. I added an idea that's not been talked about yet, the role of outline tools in building a distributed Internet directory, the next step after DMOZ and Yahoo. "/>
			<outline text="There's another way of looking at what we're doing. There's a media type that, until now, no one had bothered to define or create tools for. Outlines are very useful, and tools for creating and browsing them are mature. Look under a rock, find a gold nugget. I've felt strongly since I first saw the Web that there's a hierarchy in there. It didn't take long for Yahoo to become the main portal. But it's limited by the capacity of their editors, same with DMOZ. Now, six years later, the Web has matured and there are millions of people who have mastered the medium. Why not turn over the directory to them? "/>
			<outline text="It took a long time to get my team to ship an Internet-aware outliner. I wanted one in 1996. They didn't get it. When Doug Baron was just about to work with me on it, he quit. My guys are good, but they didn't want to do this one. I snuck it in there by showing them how music could work better. We have a musician on the team, and he has no fear. So it happened. Now we can really jump out of the plane!"/>
			<outline text="&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pixelpony.com/radio/&quot;>Derek Odegard&lt;/a> wrote a COM component that &quot;reads a Radio UserLand songlist file (locally or remotely) and makes it available to ASP scripts as simple collections of objects.&quot;"/>
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		<outline text="Credits">
			<outline text="I've not yet pointed to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://radio.userland.com/credits.html&quot;>credits page&lt;/a>."/>
			<outline text="Note that I thank Napster and the music industry."/>
			<outline text="And then I thank the musicians."/>
			<outline text="I think that's the right order."/>
			<outline text="It's Oscar-style. The last is the most important."/>
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		<outline text="Today's Song">
			<outline text="Credence Clearwater: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.angelfire.com/la2/whitlow/bornbayou.html&quot;>Born on the Bayou&lt;/a>."/>
			<outline text="Such a rich song, fantastic dancing music. And it's funny that I should re-discover it today. For some reason as I was writing the Radio UserLand docs, esp the mainframes &lt;a href=&quot;http://radio.userland.com/mainframesarecomputerstoo.html&quot;>page&lt;/a>, I was thinking of &lt;a href=&quot;http://wmf.editthispage.com/&quot;>Wes Felter&lt;/a>. "/>
			<outline text="Just a dream, of course. As I was talking with Woz, I thought &quot;Wes is a very young Woz.&quot; Now looping back to Credence, Wes was actually born on the bayou. I went to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.tulane.edu/&quot;>school&lt;/a> there but Wes is &lt;i>from&lt;/i> there."/>
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		<outline text="Looping and looping">
			<outline text="I had a flash of insight into why the W3C focuses so on namespaces."/>
			<outline text="The idea is that no one should have the power to launch new file formats."/>
			<outline text="All our file formats meld into one format that no one understands, or could possibly understand, by design. That's the puzzle of namespaces. And RDF abstracts it one more level, making it even more impossible to comprehend."/>
			<outline text="The W3C wants us to be prepared for anything, but it's human nature to wait for someone to go first."/>
			<outline text="Wait wait wait, we do. But I've never grokked this, it goes against all history in software. Proprietary standards have more juice, iff the product takes off. Look at Napster. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.com/news/437756.asp&quot;>WSJ&lt;/a> gives them shit for being indecisive about openness. Cheap shot. At least they went first and didn't wait for a standards body to give the green light. And when pushed, they opened it up. If I were their teacher they'd get an A+ with extra credit. They did the right thing and did it the right way."/>
			<outline text="It's a revolutionary act to ship a new file format. Standards-bodies-be-damned. It &lt;i>has&lt;/i> to be that way."/>
			<outline text="The best standard is the one with the most users. Like HTML. The W3C should get this, the leader of W3C is Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of HTML. Why didn't he wait for the SGML people to validate him? He had an idea that really excited him. When that happens, the standards process is far too slow."/>
			<outline text="That's my philosophy, you may not agree, and I could change my mind, but that's how I call it."/>
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		<outline text="Howtos and comments">
			<outline text="Jerome Camus: &lt;a href=&quot;http://unpluggedportal.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$16&quot;>Digi-Tunes and Micro-Dollars&lt;/a>. "/>
			<outline text="About.Com: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mp3.about.com/musicperform/mp3/library/weekly/aa101899.htm&quot;>How to make MP3 files from your CDs&lt;/a>."/>
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		<outline text="Separated at birth?">
			<outline text="Jeffrey Zeldman's &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zeldman.com/glamorous.html&quot;>glamorous life&lt;/a>. Believe it or not this story makes me miss NY!"/>
			<outline text="David Singer had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://dss.editthispage.com/2000/07/28&quot;>similar experience&lt;/a> at Fry's, all the way across the country. "/>
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		<outline text="Amazon">
			<outline text="&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/library/financial/columns/073000market-watch-co.html&quot;>NY Times&lt;/a>: &quot;After the close of trading on Wednesday, Amazon reported its second-quarter results. With remarkable synchronicity, 6 of the 35 analysts who follow Amazon cut their ratings on the stock the next morning.&quot;"/>
			<outline text="AP: &lt;a href=&quot;http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000728/tc/amazon_bezos_3.html&quot;>Amazon's Bezos Remains Confident&lt;/a>."/>
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